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Alamy CEO: AlamyRank "not disadvantaging specialist contributors"Alamy CEO James West has defended the introduction of new algorithms after contributing photographers saw their images dropping further down Alamy search results. |
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16 November 2006
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Photographic forums have been dominated over the last week by discussion of Alamy’s new search algorithms, which have changed the order in which search results are presented to a buyer on the photographic library’s internet site. Specialist subject contributors, for whom Alamy had become an important part of their business, found that images which had previously been returned at the top of search results were now being returned only on later pages, which are far less likely to result in a sale. Photographers spoken to by EPUK say such a change in the search results could mean a drop in royalties of a thousand pounds a month |
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I average about a sale a day for each day of the month, both before & since AlamyRank introduction. Some contributors are already hacking AlamyRank by using a multitude of pseudonyms. Couldn’t all this keyword spamming be stopped by cutting the keyword limit from 856 characters down to, say, 300 characters? Can a Yank join EPUK? That’s what I am, a Yank. Comment #2 posted by Jeff Greenberg at 17 November, 05:04 AM I can understand that photographers who had the first page of a serch covered with only their photos are dissatisfied now. For me, who had a mediocre ranking in the old search engine, the new Alamyrank and especially the diversity algorithm seems like a big hit (for me). Now I at least have some photos on the first page in every search. I think a lot of photographers are happy to get a decent chance now. Maybe it is to early to say how sales will end up in the long run, but since the day of the new search engine, my number of sales have at least doubled. Comment #3 posted by Stefan at 17 November, 07:30 AM “Can a Yank join EPUK?” We have members all over the world – as long as you are a professional photographer who works for editorial titles in the UK or Ireland, you are eligible to join, no matter where you are based. Comment #4 posted by The EPUK Website Editor at 17 November, 08:08 AM I personally feel that my sales are up recently, and that my images do better in searches than before. It’s a bit early to make a final judgement but so far it seems good for me. I’m not a specialist in a very narrow sense but the majority of my images are landscape or outdoor pursuits. Comment #5 posted by Jon Sparks at 17 November, 08:22 AM People always complain and are afraid of change. But change is neccesary and inevitable. People will have to wait some time to see the real results of AlamyRank (do I have to put a trademark here!). Comment #6 posted by paul prescott at 17 November, 10:41 AM So apparently Alamy buyers need to be educated that irrelevant search results are good. Try searching on “cat” and you’ll see how well AlamyRank performs in putting the images buyers are most likely to want at the top. Unless of course they actually want an image of a whale, a frog, or a rabbit but just don’t know it. Comment #7 posted by Mark at 17 November, 08:30 PM I am a relatively new Alamy contributor and had been with them for about a year when AlamyRank came into effect. Prior to the change, my sales were steadily increasing each month as my collection grew. This September, I had some respectable earnings and I was optimistic about the direction things were going. But, since AlamyRank arrived, my sales have been next to nothing. I don’t know if maybe it’s a coincidence, but such a drastic change in sales has left me scratching my head. I suggest it may be a coincidence because my images were not ranked especially highly before AlamyRank and they seem to have stayed in roughly the same place. But for some reason, even though my ranking is not substantially different, my sales are. Comment #8 posted by Darby Sawchuk at 18 November, 10:08 PM I am newbie to keywording and Alamy. I would suggest that Alamy rank a picture based on the keyword it was searched for rather than only using clicks and views. 1000 click and views for CAT The only drawback being, it could take a few months for buyers to make the entire system really effective. DRAWBACK=TIME Comment #9 posted by Sullivan at 23 November, 04:11 AM I have a wide ranging collection of around 6000 images on Alamy. I only shoot “Stock” earning all of my 6 figure income this way. Comment #10 posted by Steve Allen at 25 November, 04:48 PM the problems with alamy searches started at the very begining with a poorly thought out search policy and poor search engine coupled with a very bad keyword and description policy for contributors, type in “ski” and see how many skiing images come up in the searches.alamy could learn some lessons from the microstock libraries, who probably have the best search engines in the business.when an image library hits 7 million images without any control on keywording and descriptions and this can be as simple as employing someone to check what gets entered for every image. the system will fall apart, as is now happening.for an idea of how a superb image search engine should work checkout istockphoto.com this will scale to millions of images and remain acurate with lots of options for buyers to refine their searches.alamy will have to come down hard on keyword spammers and limit amount of keywords or they are gonna be in big probs in the future. Comment #11 posted by jason evans at 27 December, 06:58 PM My results are also positioned better since the introduction of AlamyRank though I currently have few images in my collection. I will now add more images as I feel that the new ranking system is based on a fairer method. By the way, the poor ‘cat’ search is simply due to a single agency, ImageState, incorrectly keywording all their images. Search for cat (not Imagestate) and the problem goes away. I expect someone will inform Alamy about this specific problem as it may be an error by the agency. In future they could see their overall ranking harmed by this error, so its in their own interest to correct it. The earlier poster Sullivan is correct in his point that it could take a long time for the ranking to reflect what customers are looking for, in fact this process will never stop and will be a continual evolutionary process. The results of this ranking will never reflect what the photographer thinks is a good or relevant image, but will rather reflect customers views. Comment #12 posted by Paul Freeman at 30 December, 06:30 PM It must be pointed out that Alamy has always encouraged abundant key-wording: ‘If you think it is relevant, include it.’ I take a lot of time (about one hour/image) and care over key wording – anticipating lateral modes of thought as well as obvious searches – and I would be concerned if this suddenly became a liability within the new algorithm. That said – and with my designer/image buyer hat on – it IS tedious to run a search and find dozens of (inappropriate for my use) images by a single contributor ‘clogging’ up the head of the results. I am a specialist travel photographer and have seen a drop in sales over the last couple of months. Time will tell whether this is algorithm-related. Comment #13 posted by Jim at 3 January, 10:16 AM Alamy Rank will prove over time not to work. I am not just saying this, because it has damaged our sales, but because it is based on a false premise, and was let lose while still being developed: you should give well selling images better visibility, not the contributor’s whole collection. This is what clogs up searches with irrelevant boring repetitive images. Furthermore the visibility of such well selling images should be dynamic, ie constantly updated in response to demand, not staying static over months and months, as is the case at present. Very disappointing and frustrating. Comment #15 posted by Lisa Valder at 12 March, 09:42 PM we found that the initial ranking in the old system, greatly effects our current ranking under the new system. this, to our opinion, is the greatest unfairness of AlamyRank. if you had a low rank in the old system, you have started in the h=new system with a disadvantage: your images appear low in the results so it’s harder to move up, even if you improve on your collection. another thought we like to share: Alamyrank is only updated what? once a year? why not real-time? Comment #16 posted by jan bowl at 18 July, 12:37 PM Add your comments here:
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It could be that the specialists in question ranked unfairly high under the old system, and that the lower ranking is a result of a more equitable distribution of images.
Photographers who signed up with Alamy early on tended to rank higher under the old ranking system, penalizing newer photographers with better collections.
Another factor to consider is that specialized collections are by definition specialized. They will be found when customers enter a specific set of keywords. It makes sense that these collections, (which often have low returns per image), appear below images with a broader appeal, when the search terms entered are more generic.
I personally have seen my ranking go up quite a bit since AlamyRank was introduced. I used to rank very much near the bottom, despite having quite decent image sales on my modest collection. Now my images have much more prominent placement, somewhat above average I’d say, probably in line with how marketable my images are.
I think the new system seems very fair. Certainly much better than what we had before, where some contributors would block up four-five pages of results with huge numbers of similars.
Comment #1 posted by Fabian Gonzales at 17 November, 04:12 AM